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Operation Unicorn May 22 Part I |
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Posts: 2979 06/24/09 23:13:31 Administrator |
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miketr |
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Posts: 574 06/26/09 07:45:47 |
Unless the British resupply their troops and get some coal and other goods to the French they are in for a world of pain. I suspect that without such
respupply the British forces will become totally combat ineffective and face collapse in the face of a determined attack.
Just my $0.02 worth
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Posts: 575 06/26/09 07:58:42 |
Grrr...stupid Yuku ate my post...
I think these deaths are going to create some press problems for the British in US cities with large numbers of Irish immigrants. Michael
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TomB1 |
DeV | #23 | ||
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Posts: 2990 06/26/09 21:19:24 Administrator |
De Valera's death will present a special set of problems in the US.
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Vordarian |
DeV | #24 | ||
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Posts: 9 06/27/09 09:30:42 |
Mhm... guillotining US citizens will not be going down well there...
Baron von Steuben, we are here!? |
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TomB1 |
NYC born | #25 | ||
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Posts: 2991 06/27/09 14:02:51 Administrator |
It was his American origin that caused DeV's death sentence to be commuted to a lengthy hard labor sentence (which is turn was shortened postwar). The impression I get from de Rosa was that the commutation was by no means a sure thing. |
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miketr |
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Posts: 576 06/27/09 18:13:30 |
Problem is von Steuben is burried in the US and not Germany. No tomb for Pershing to go and visit.... Unless he visits it before he leaves or we return the
body when we enter the war... if we were to enter the war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site I wonder if the British can do enough damage with their Campaign in Ireland to push congress that far? No way Wilson would ask them but congress is something else... Normally I would say its impossible for the UK to find itself in such a corner that the US would break with them but killing of US citizens and crushing the revolt might do it if they don't attempt damage control. Michael
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Posts: 96 06/28/09 09:02:40 |
So about a day or a day and a half from Ireland depending on convoy speed. The HSF should arrive a bit sooner likely. With one brigade, one international
brigade's worth of voluntaries and a cavalry division landing in the next days the British position is rapidly becoming disasterous. If the Germans can
scrape up enough horses for the cavalry they might pocket the entire Limerick force by charging through the gap opening up in the British lines, that is what?
Three divisions or so... About half the effective British fighting strength on Ireland.
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Polarization | #28 | ||
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Posts: 2992 06/28/09 13:05:08 Administrator |
My thoughts about the deltas on American politics is not of a wholesale shift towards the CP but a widening polarization. There are those in the US who will
applaud the news of DeV's execution starting wih HCL.
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TomB1 |
Limerick | #29 | ||
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Posts: 2993 06/28/09 13:09:24 Administrator |
There are 3 British divisions plus 2 brigades (108th and 31st) in and around Limerick now plus the remants of Welsh Division not too far away. The next
meeting of the War Committee early next post has some hard choices to make.
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Rapidkreuzer |
Naval changes | #30 | ||
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Posts: 9 07/01/09 05:51:12 |
Can the french really afford to transfer so many ships to the Channel? Right now there are just the 5 Dantons, 4 Courbets and 2 Bretagne class ships who are a
real threat to the KuK-Navy. The British forces consist mainly of PreDNs, so I wonder if it will encourage Haus for another sortie or the Turks to send Goeben
and Breslau.
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miketr |
KuK Navy... | #31 | ||
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Posts: 577 07/01/09 08:38:18 |
The Hapsburgs have 3 DN's and 3 PDN's with a collection of coast defense ships to back them up but only 4 modern cruisers and a few DD's/TB's.
Right now the French can keep them bottled up fairly effectively. France also has a good collection of PDN's themselves; 10 in total as a I recall and
those are only the most modern ones with mixed 12" and 9.4" batteries. They have a number of older ships.
The real question is what can France hope to do if they do move their ships north? The HSF is shot up but they would need to send a strong enough force to achieve something. Which would be their entire force of DN's (6 ships) and Semi-DN's (10 ships) and even then would it be enough to defeat the German fleet if they run into without GF support? That would leave the scrap metal brigade to cover the Med which would provide a strong temptation for the Italians let alone the Hapsburgs to do something. My own thought is the Germans would cut the French fleet to bits because of the French lack elevation on their guns. Worst choice would be to send only a partial force and have that run into the Germans and whiped out while at the same time giving the Hapsburgs something like parity. At the same time the French face economic starvation with shipments from the UK. It is a damned if you do and damned if you don't choice. The more prudent choice would be to offer the British a squadron of French ships under French command but as part of the GF. That or nothing or start ordering supplies form the US and convoy them with some PDN's. Michael
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Rapidkreuzer |
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Posts: 10 07/01/09 09:24:06 |
What I have meant, but you described it more accurate. Beside the 3 Radetzky-Battleships are Semi-DNs and to call the Liberte-class a Semi-DN is quite
optimistic I think.
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Posts: 97 07/01/09 10:20:24 |
real question is what can France hope to do if they do move their ships north?
It would depend on the lighter forces available rather than the battleline. If they want to do something alone they are rather restricted in their options. The French could move subs and TBs to the channel to help prevent the HSF from using it like an Irish-German Autobahn with a few PDN at Brest in support. If the objective is to keep the Atlantic ports open then the basic strategy would be a BS stationed at Brest with sub and cruiser patrols in the bay of Biscay. Such an arrangement would make it troublesome for the HSF raiders to operate south of Brest without heavy units in support and that is an unlikely use of the HSF. Although that will not solve the main problem which is the traffic on the English ports. If you mean to open up the English channel again on a more permanent basis then the best move would be to attach a DN squadron with supporting units to the GF and hope for the best in the inevitable clash. The French are not capable of taking on the HSF alone.
Last Edited By: CJvR 07/01/09 10:36:57.
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Posts: 10 07/01/09 15:00:55 |
Ah, mon ami, but they have something the HSF lacks- elan!
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Posts: 578 07/01/09 15:15:06 |
Rapidkreuzer wrote: Not really the range of the French main weapons is very limited. Yah the Danton's have 240mm wing turrets to the Liberte 194mm but both are about equally useless vs. a Modern DN I think. Michael
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TomB1 |
MN 1ere Armee Navale | #36 | ||
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Posts: 2994 07/01/09 16:28:39 Administrator |
And 3 of the Courbet and Voltaire are still in the yards from Battle of Cattaro Gulf. The Bretagne class are not yet complete (Provence is almost done though) |
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Elan | #37 | ||
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Posts: 2995 07/01/09 16:32:56 Administrator |
Very funny. Though it could be argued that the RN had something similar called the Nelsonic spirit. |
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Three words for the same thing. | #38 | ||
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Posts: 11 07/02/09 01:19:20 |
Don´t forget about the German "SCHNEID".
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Posts: 3018 08/12/09 21:01:04 Administrator |
It was the 109th Brigade not the 108th Brigade that is subordinated to the West Riding Division in Clare.
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