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TomB1	Operation Unicorn: IRA ORBAT		Lead	[-]
Posts: 2716 09/11/06 12:23:41 Administrator	Tags : None I am not expecting a lot of replies to this, but I am behind schedule on the next post for a variety of reasons so I'll throw out this current tidbit. As of the afternoon of May 3, the Irish Republican Army consists of these battalions under German command (approx able bodied strenghs): West Clare: 600 men 2 MG guards the Atlantic coast Central Clare: 400 men 2 MG clustered around Ennis East Clare: 350 men 2 MG Limerick City: 600 (incl. support section) White 2 MG 2 IG East Limerick 450 men 2 MG 2 IG on the right flank of the German Naval Division at Limerick Central Limerick: 350 men 2 MG defending Foynes Supply Centerr West Limerick: 650 men von Thoma 2 MG 2 IG part of Hell's Brigade 1st Kerry: 550 men 2 MG part of Hell's Brigade 2nd Kerry: 500 men 2 MG 2 companies defending Castleisland 3rd Kerry: 650 men (incl. support company) Rommel 2 MG 4th Kerry: newly formed at Waterville 300 men North Cork: 500 men part of Hell's Brigade West Cork: newly formed HQ at Bantry 350 men 1st Tipperary: 550 men (at Fethard with 16th Uhlan) 2nd Tipperary: 550 me (at Fethard with 16th Uhlan) There is also about 600 Irish Volunteers from Clare, Galway, King's and Tipperary in southeastern Galway plus 150 men in Ballinasloe Company further north. Organization is in flux Lastly there is Flynn's Sealgair Battalion at Bandon which is definitely not under German command. 500 men 1 MG
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TomB1	May 14	#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2676 04/23/08 12:23:28 Administrator	As of Noon May 14 (incl. women): County Clare: West Clare Battalion: 850 2 MG guards the Atlantic coast Central Clare Battalion: 450 clustered around Ennis East Clare Battalion: 550 men 2 MG Clare Cyclist Company: 100 Clare Support Company: 200 mostly at Ennis Total: 2,150 County Limerick: Limerick City Battalion: 750 4 MG 4 IG Limerick Support Company: 150 Foynes Battalion: 850 men 2 MG at Foynes Foynes Support Detachment: 150 Total: 1,900 County Kerry: 1st Kerry Battalion: 550 2 MG Killarney 2nd Kerry Battalion: 550 2 MG Tralee and Dingle 4th Kerry Battalion: 600 Waterville 5th Kerry Battalion: 350 Listowel Tarbert detachment: 100 Kerry Cyclist Company: 150 Tralee Support Company: 150 Killarney Suuport Company: 200 Total: 2,650 County Galway: Connemara Battalion: 500 Total: 500 County Cork: North Cork Battalion: 600 2 MG at Carriganimmy West Cork Battalion: 700 2 MG near Glengariff South Cork Battalion: 750 at Dunmanaway Cork Cyclist Company: 100 1st Cork Support Company: 150 at Bantry 2nd Cork Support Company: 150 at Dunmanaway Sealgair Battalion: 250 1 MG Cork and Ft. Westmoreland West Limerick Battalion: 350 Cork Kerry Ersatz Company: 200 1st Cork City Battalion: 550 2nd Cork City Battalion: 500 3rd Cork Support Company: 150 1st Tipperary Battalion: 550 Ft. Carlisle 2nd Tipperary Battalion: 400 Cork city Great Island Company: 150 East Cork Battalion: 400 Eastgate TOTAL: 5,950 men County Tipperary: 3rd Tipperary Battalion 750 mostly at Fethard TOTAL: 750 men County Waterford: Waterford Battalion: 600 TOTAL: 600 men County Wexford: Wexford Battalion: 450 at New Ross Total: 450 County Westmeath: 1st Athlone Battalion: 900 men 2 MG east bank of Athlone Athlone Support Company: 250 Total: 1,150 men County Roscommon: 2nd Athlone Battalion: 800 men west bank of Athlone Roscommon Battalion: 350 men at Roscommon TOTAL: 1,150 men County Leitrim: 2nd North Ireland Battalion: 650 at Manorhamilton Longford Battalion: 450 at Carrick-on-Shannon Leitrim Support Company: 150 at Carrick-on-Shannon Total: 1,250 men County Sligo: 1st North Ireland Battalion: 800 men at Sligo 3rd North Ireland Battalion: 700 men at Sligo Sligo Support Detachment: 100 men at Sligo North Ireland Cyclist Company: 100 men TOTAL: 1,700 men County Dublin: 1st Dublin Battalion: 900 Dublin 1 MG 2nd Dublin Battalion: 900 Dublin 3rd Dublin Battalion: 650 Dublin 4th Dublin Battalion: 850 Dublin 5th Dublin Battalion: 450 Dublin & Fingal 6th Dublin Battalion: 650 Dublin Citizen Army: 250 Dublin HQ Battalion: 500 Dublin 3rd Kerry Battalion (mot.) 400 men 2 IG 5 MG Louth Volunteers: 400 men TOTAL: 5,950 men
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miketr		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 505 04/23/08 21:07:42	The rebellion continues to grow but that growth is slowing down. Still the Germans will have 2 fresh, 1.5 Irish rebels and what 1 divisions worth of their own troops in Ireland? May 3rd total rebellion... 8,600 May 6th total rebellion... 11,000 --Change from 3rd 27% 2,400 May 8th total rebellion... 13,550 --Change from 6th 23% 2,550 May 10th total rebellion... 18,850 --Change from 8th 40% 5,300 May 12th total rebellion... 22,450 --Change from 10th 19% 3,600 May 14th total rebellion... 25,400 --Change from 12th 13% 2,950 Still once the 2nd wave unloads the British are going to have all sorts of problems and there is a nice little cancer growing in central Ireland. The counties of Roscommon, Westmeath, Leitrim and Sligo account for half the growth of the revolt; 3,850 to 5,250 a change of 1,400 men or 36%. I will do my map update some time this weekend have a book report to do. Interesting as always. Michael Just my $0.02 worth
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borys68		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 469 04/23/08 23:06:37	Ahoj! As the Irish practically are all "bayonets", I'd say two divisions. Plus the less fit assigned to 2nd line duties. Soon part of the Irish battalions will have to be grouped in "brigades" or "legions" under an English speaking officer - best if oberst or oberst-leutnant, or at least a major (a REAL major, mind you). And assigned more or less permanently to German formations. Had there not been a language barrier, I'd suggest simply attaching an Irish battalion to a German battalion - best if from 1st wave. Maybe this still could be the best option, or pursued in parallel to Irish Legions? BTW - it could be the Austrians suggesting "legions" - they've already got a Polenlegion and an Ukrainische Legion, so using "legion" for an above-battalion-strength formation of Irisches Freikorps/Freiwillige would come naturally. The latter name - Freiwillige - could also become immortalised in Irish history as the "Free Villagers of 1915". 1 - this is now quite a handfull for the British - 4 regular divisions and the Free Villagers - unless they start sending over fully equipped formations, Ireland will be like a German comment on the ACW - "two [rifle] armed mobs chasing one another over the country". An alternative is to fall back on Ulster - the Orangemen with some Royal Artillery support will beat of anything the Central Powers are capable of sending "over there". 2 - I had something very sage and deep to write here, but I forgot what was it ... Borys Last Edited By: borys68 04/23/08 23:28:19. Edited 2 times.
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TomB1	Irish Higher Formations	#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2677 04/24/08 14:02:16 Administrator	The British position is far from hopeless. They have 5 divisions (not counting the scattered remants of 16th ID) and 11th ID is on the way, though 2 of their divisions are less than 1/2 strength. In the short run though the initiative is definitely going to change. When I first conceived of the Irish Brigade where Lt (and a few OBLt) gets made into essentially "brevet" Majors, I wondered if any Hauptmann get turned into phony "Lt Col". I decided against that idea. OK to understand what happened it is necessary to distinguish operational command from administrative command. The German concept was battalion would be the highest Irish Brigade operational command. It was assumed by OKW that if there was a big battle German units would be nearby by and they would assume operational command of the Irish battalion. Already this assumption is not proving accurate in Operation Unicorn. However as for adminstrative control, the Irish Volunteers was in many places already organized into brigades. There was a Kerry Brigade, Limerick Brigade (which up until the Easter Rising incl. County Clare as well) and Cork Brigade. The German hope was to use these Irish Commandants where possible to execute administrative command over their respective brigades. This was one of the elements of the Mother Superior arc. She is administratively reporting to Austen Stack. Of course the Irish Commandants all have a German "adviser" peering overtheir shoulder. One ancillary aspect of this is that these Brigade Commandants are sort of the "puppet" military governors of their counties. They of course are expected to do what the Germans want but as Maj. von Rundstedt, their superior, has a lot else on his mind (esp. when he filled in for Oberst Hell) he is not micromanaging. So the Irish commandants have a fair amount of authority. Of course in Dublin Pearse insists that Rommel is subordinate to him.
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TomB1	Eleven Days	#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2678 04/24/08 14:20:48 Administrator	The Irish Republican Army has tripled in 11 days. It is not going to retriple by May 25. Note this is effective strength. The recent fighting in Cork and esp. Dublin as taken a toll on them. The news of the execution of MacNeill on May 11 was responsible for more than 3,000 of the new members since then (and approx another 1,000 in the next 24 hrs after which the impact is nearly over ). The British came very close to executing MacNeill (and de Valera) in 1916 OTL. In addition to the military aspect there is a political one. The position of the British government that the Irish rebellion is miniscule has completely collapsed.
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borys68		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 470 04/24/08 20:09:20	Ahoj! I was thinking of Irisch Freiwilliger Brigaden/Legionen (should this be one word in German?) operational units. Borys
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TomB1	Irish Legion	#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2679 04/25/08 07:28:19 Administrator	Borys, You mostly raised strong possibilities for the near future of Ireland and I responded by addressing the immediate past and current situation mostly because it gave me a chance to discuss the question of whether there are inflated "colonels" in the Irish Brigade, which was something I thought long and hard about. Also the administrative vs operational control issue makes things a notch different from the Polish Legion. Tom
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moltke1	Growth and Shrink	#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 115 04/28/08 11:03:40	Hi Tom, thanks for this very nice updates. Apart from Dublin, where the hardest fighting is, Irish strength is growing, in some places in an astonishing numbers. Dublin's strength would have been eroded much more if not for §rd Kerry (mot). Where were the two IG's lost?
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TomB1	Growth and Shrink	#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2682 04/28/08 12:13:01 Administrator	Uwe, The May 14 post still shows 3rd Kerry (mot.) as having 2 IG. When the rebellion enters new counties that is when one sees the really sharp increases. Tom
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moltke1	Lost IG's	#40	[url]	[-]
Posts: 116 04/28/08 22:01:39	The West Limerick Battalion is the one which lost 2 IG's and two MG's
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Operation Unicorn: IRA ORBAT	09/11/06 12:23:41	TomB1
Re: Operation Unicorn: IRA ORBAT	09/11/06 13:41:35	miketr
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